{"id":1720,"date":"2025-06-21T04:40:27","date_gmt":"2025-06-21T04:40:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/automototransportas.lt\/index.php\/2025\/06\/21\/project-rough-diy-corner-balance-take-2-with-physics\/"},"modified":"2025-06-21T04:40:27","modified_gmt":"2025-06-21T04:40:27","slug":"project-rough-diy-corner-balance-take-2-with-physics","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/automototransportas.lt\/index.php\/2025\/06\/21\/project-rough-diy-corner-balance-take-2-with-physics\/","title":{"rendered":"Project Rough: DIY Corner Balance Take 2 – With Physics!"},"content":{"rendered":"

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\n\t\t\tDIY \u2013 It\u2019s In The Game<\/span><\/p>\n

Corner balancing a car has been one of those things that seemed off-limits to the average automotive DIY enthusiast.<\/p>\n

You can find a wide range of electronic scales from a speed shop like Summit Racing; however, a \u2018decent\u2019 set will set you back at least $1,000, and a higher-quality set will cost double that.<\/p>\n

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You can use the bathroom scale hack, where you jack the car up and lower it on a set of cheap bathroom scales. I even tried this back in 2020 with Project Rough,<\/em> my ER34 Nissan Skyline GT-T, and had\u2026 moderate<\/em> success.<\/p>\n

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To do this correctly, you must ensure you are working on a perfectly flat surface. The car needs to be as level as possible while on the scales \u2013\u00a0 i.e., on some sort of platform\u00a0\u2013 and you need a way to relax the arms after jacking the car up to move the scales into position.<\/p>\n

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It\u2019s quite the dance, and there are a host of variables where things can go wrong. One of my scales broke due to going far beyond the maximum weight limit of 130kg (286lbs).<\/p>\n

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So, measuring the weight at all four corners, making any adjustments, and having to perform the whole circus again made this technique far from practical. It seemed like dedicated electronic scales were still the only viable approach.<\/p>\n

Or Is It\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n

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Fast-forward a few years, and I discovered a YouTube channel called SuperfastMatt.<\/em>\u00a0Matt\u2019s videos are as humorous as they are insightful, and one called I Invented a Better Way to Weigh Your Car. And it\u2019s Cheaper, Too.<\/em> discusses how you can use leverage and a bit of math to calculate the weight at any given corner.<\/p>\n

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You have a supporting block in which a beam rests on. The supporting block is a \u2018X\u2019 distances away from the bathroom scale. You would then place the tire on the beam, and that weight transfers across the beam to the scale. The weight will be significantly smaller, which shouldn\u2019t max out the scale.\u00a0If you know the distance from the supporting block and the distance to the scale, you can calculate the actual weight with the value shown by the scale.<\/p>\n

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Seeing that I still had my analog scales from the first attempt and a workable platform I designed for aligning cars, I figured I\u2019d let my inner engineer back out to play and give this a shot. Before going full send, I decided to test it on a small scale with an old battery from the family Honda Stepwgn.<\/p>\n

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I first weighed the battery to know my target\u2014 roughly\u00a0<\/em>9.8kg (21.6lbs). The resolution on these scales leave a lot to desire.<\/p>\n

I next created a platform that would have the beam level with the bathroom scale. I recorded the length (92.2cm). We will call this \u2018L\u2019.<\/p>\n

Then I\u00a0placed the battery on the beam and got a reading of 2.9kg (6.4lbs). Great! I\u2019ll call that \u2018Fa\u2019 for now. Now, to calculate the distances.<\/p>\n

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Unlike the drawing, the force of the battery isn\u2019t a single point on the beam, thus I decided to take the average of using a distance from in front of and behind the battery \u2013 one closest to the scale (L2) and one closest to the supporting block (L1). I would subtract the two and divide it by 2.<\/p>\n

(L2-L1)\u00a0<\/span>\/2 = Lm<\/span><\/p>\n

(39cm-15.5cm) \/<\/span> 2 = Lm<\/span><\/p>\n

11.75cm = Lm<\/strong><\/p>\n

With what I\u2019m calling \u2018Lm\u2019, you can subtract that number from L2 and get the battery\u2019s \u2018center\u2019 point of force. I\u2019ll call this value \u2018Lf\u2019.<\/p>\n

L2-Lm= Lf<\/span><\/p>\n

39cm-11.75cm= Lf<\/span><\/p>\n

27.25cm= Lf<\/strong><\/p>\n

With Lf now determined, I can divide it by the total length of the beam. If you know the distance relative to the beam, you can divide that number by the weight on the scale to calculate the weight. I know it\u2019s getting a bit wild here\u2026<\/p>\n

Fl=Lf \/<\/span>L <\/span><\/p>\n

Fl=27.25cm \/\u00a0<\/span>92.2cm <\/span><\/p>\n

Fl=.2955<\/strong><\/p>\n

I learned this on the full-size test, but I tried to keep as many numbers after the decimal place as possible to increase accuracy. It does make a difference. With Fl, we can finally calculate the weight of F.<\/p>\n

F= Fa \/\u00a0<\/span>Fl<\/span><\/p>\n

F= 2.9kg<\/span>. \/ 2955<\/span><\/p>\n

F= 9.81kg<\/strong><\/p>\n

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This is an error of 0.10%, which more than proves the accuracy of this mathematical test. With this solid proof of concept, it was time to scale up.<\/p>\n

Full Steam Ahead<\/span><\/p>\n

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With Project Rough<\/em> ready to go, I decided to do an alignment, as I would use the same platform rig for the corner balancing.<\/p>\n

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For shaken, I had to reinstall some OEM parts, which threw my alignment out of whack.<\/p>\n

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    Bringing\u00a0the car to my house from its storage spot was one of the sketchiest drives of my life. I adjusted my laser level to level the platform with shims.<\/p>\n

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    I was now ready to corner balance Project Rough<\/em>. I got my bathroom scale out and ensured the beam and platform were level\u2026<\/p>\n

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      \u2026And immediately ran into a problem. Although I had calculated that if my bar were 184cm long, I would have plenty of space to drive on the beam and not max out the bathroom scale, the weight deflected the beam so much that it touched the ground. Two extrusion bars weren\u2019t going to work.<\/p>\n

      But how about three? Seeing that I had extra extrusions from various projects at that same 184cm length, I decided to try that before cutting the beams to a smaller size. I was still afraid that if I had cut the beams too short and driven too far on the beam, it would max out the scale, and I\u2019d risk breaking them.<\/p>\n

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      Even with three beams in place, they still bowed like crazy. This wasn\u2019t going to work. I then remembered that I could move the scale closer to the car and use a wedge piece of wood for the beams to rest on to transfer the load, effectively shorting the length of the beams. All I needed to do was zero out my scale and try it.<\/p>\n

      With my current length (L) now shortened to 108.3cm from 184cm, the beam hardly deflected and could continue with the experiment. The reading on the scale was 42.5kg (93.7lbs) (Fa).<\/p>\n

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      It was now time to calculate the various lengths as I had done with the battery. However, it was more difficult to tell where the contact patch was on the beam. I used a small square ruler and slid it under the tire until it couldn\u2019t move anymore, and then marked the beam. I did this for both sides to get my L2 and L1 calculations.<\/p>\n

      (L2-L1) \/<\/span> 2 = Lm<\/span><\/p>\n

      (20.5cm-1.1cm) \/<\/span> 2 = Lm<\/span><\/p>\n

      9.7cm = Lm<\/strong><\/p>\n

      It\u00a0wasn\u2019t until I finished measuring everything\u00a0that I realized there was an easier way to determine the tire\u2019s contact patch\u2026<\/p>\n

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      You can press a piece of flat scrap wood anywhere against the tire and mark out the L2 and L1 of the tire contact patch using the same method. Amazingly, this method matched my numbers for the front tires (9.7cm) but was slightly higher in the rear (10cm). These would be the Lm values used in the calculations.<\/p>\n

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      Seeing that I can directly calculate Lm from the tire contact patch, my new equation is now this.<\/p>\n

      L2-Lm = Lf<\/span><\/p>\n

      20.5cm -9.7cm = Lf<\/span><\/p>\n

      Lf = 10.8cm<\/strong><\/p>\n

      We now take Lf and calculate the force relative to the distance on the beam.<\/p>\n

      Fl=Lf \/\u00a0<\/span>L <\/span><\/p>\n

      Fl=10.8cm \/\u00a0<\/span>108.3cm <\/span><\/p>\n

      Fl=.0997<\/strong><\/p>\n

      Again, keep as many places as possible in the calculations. I stored the entire number on my calculator (0.099722992). Then, we can calculate the force of the car at that corner.<\/p>\n

      F= Fa \/\u00a0<\/span>Fl<\/span><\/p>\n

      F= 42.5kg<\/span>.0997<\/span><\/p>\n

      F= 426.18kg<\/strong><\/p>\n

      And just like that, one corner is done! Next, roll the car back a bit, move the scale to the next tire, drive up, and crunch those numbers.<\/p>\n

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        Once you get the hang of it, each corner takes about five minutes. Of course, if you have multiple scales and beams (I was still cautious and decided not to get more beams to do this), you could do this whole process in one shot.<\/p>\n

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        Here are the values that I came up with after all the calculations. According to the shakensho,<\/em> my\u00a0Skyline should weigh 1,460kg (3,218lbs). I\u2019m not sure how they got that number (wet, dry, full tank of gas, etc.), but I shouldn\u2019t be too far off.<\/p>\n

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          Factor in a super lightweight (read: slightly flimsy) FRP front hood, no spare tire, and a few other bits here and there, and the total calculated weight is pretty damn close. Ideally, I would take Project Rough<\/em> to a place where I can drive and weigh the car, but that will have to wait until it\u2019s passed its\u00a0shaken<\/em> inspection.<\/p>\n

          What can we do with this newfound information about Project Rough<\/em>\u2018s balance? A corner balance shows your vehicle\u2019s weight distribution, which can then be manipulated to optimize handling. For those who are dead serious about getting the best lap time, you would manipulate this distribution by physically removing weight or adding ballast in strategic locations to get closer to that \u2018ideal\u2019 50\/50 distribution front to back and left to right.<\/p>\n

          We can manipulate how much weight a corner receives by raising or lowering it. However, as one action affects all the other corners at the same time, it isn\u2019t possible to change the front, rear, left, and right weight percentages.\u00a0So unless I physically remove, shift, or add weight, Project Rough<\/em> will have these values.<\/p>\n

          Front Weight % =54.06%<\/span>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

          Rear Weight % =45.95%<\/span><\/p>\n

          Left Weight % =53.23%<\/span><\/p>\n

          Right Weight % =46.77%<\/span>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

          Note: I didn\u2019t simulate my body weight (84kg\/185lbs) or disconnect the sway bars. In good practice, you absolutely should do this when setting up a race car or a car with incredibly stiff springs. Minor tweaks will have a bigger effect, and you don\u2019t want accidental preload in the sway bars. Although Project Rough<\/em> has adjustable sway bar end links, and I have dialed them in for no preload,\u00a0it isn\u2019t a race car. We are still doing this with bathroom scales regardless of how many variables we limit.<\/p>\n

          What we can<\/em>\u00a0do is get our cross-weight to an ideal 50\/50 situation. Currently:<\/p>\n

          (Front Right (kg) +Rear Left (kg))\u00a0 \/\u00a0<\/span>Total Weight (kg) = Cross Weight %<\/span>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

          \u00a0<\/span>(351.83kg+340kg)\u00a0 \/\u00a0<\/span>1439.27kg =Cross Weight %<\/span>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

          48.07% = Cross Weight %<\/span>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

          Anytime you have a cross weight above 50%, you have a wedge. Anything below 50%, like Project Rough,<\/em> is a reverse wedge. Knowing this, you can follow these rules to adjust the ride height to get closer to a 50\/50 distribution.<\/p>\n

          RAISING<\/span> any one corner will <\/span>INCREASE<\/span><\/i> the weight on that corner and slightly affect all other corners.<\/span><\/p>\n

          LOWERING<\/span> any one corner will <\/span>DECREASE<\/span><\/i> the weight on that corner and slightly affect all other corners.<\/span><\/p>\n

          Cross weight <\/span>ABOVE<\/span><\/i> 50%<\/span> = <\/span>DECREASE<\/span><\/i> weight (height) on FR\/RL or <\/span>INCREASE<\/span><\/i> weight (height) on FL\/RR. \u2013 Wedge<\/span><\/p>\n

          Cross weight BELOW 50%<\/span> = <\/span>INCREASE<\/span><\/i> weight (height) on FR\/RL or <\/span>DECREASE<\/span><\/i> weight (height) on FL\/RR \u2013 Reverse Wedge<\/span><\/p>\n

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          Thus, I should work on increasing the height on the Front Right \u2013 Rear\u00a0Left or decreasing the height on the Front Left \u2013 Rear Right. This is where everything becomes hella-<\/em>tedious. You also need to decide how set you are in the vehicle\u2019s ride height. Again, the stiffer the springs, the stronger the impact minor adjustments will make. However, if you are dead set on how the car looks, you might have to compromise that 50\/50 distribution.<\/p>\n

          And that\u2019s for you to decide. For me, once I get Project Rough<\/em> back on the road, I will do this again and aim to get that 50\/50 cross weight distribution. I also want to test a few more suspension projects and experiments.<\/p>\n

          This goes to show that if you\u2019re not afraid of a little bit of math, you can unlock potential and data that would otherwise be locked behind expensive equipment. It did take some refinement, and this still won\u2019t be as accurate as a good set of electronic scales, but unlike my first attempt at corner balancing with scales, it was a success.<\/p>\n

          Electronic scales would still be excellent, though\u2026<\/p>\n

          Ron Celestine<\/strong>
          Instagram:\u00a0celestinephotography<\/p>\n